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slowin 18 hours ago [-]
I really wish people would mention their stack when they have these curl install scripts. I'd rather use a real package manager, but I'm not totally against installing a compiled binary this way. I am, 100%, not going to install some Java/Type-script nightmare like this though. How is it resolving the dependencies? Is it installing some version of node, bun... on my machine? How's that working with other versions I have installed?
Related: please don't write command line tools in non-compiled languages! Don't make the runtime your user's problem.
alaudet 17 hours ago [-]
I don't know man, seems like a cool project and is open source. I guess he could have just sat on it and used for himself exclusively. It's auditable and totally fine for an open source project and nobody is forced to use it. It's free to use under the MIT license, what else can you really ask for.
slowin 15 hours ago [-]
I actually don't mean to bag on the author, but I think my complaint is valid. Maybe if they had a note right next to the curl command that said "This installs a single bun bundled executable. Here's a link to the GitHub releases if you'd like to install it yourself", that would be helpful.
My point about interpreted languages stands though. These bundled javascript runtime "apps" eat at least 500M of RAM on boot. That's totally not needed for a CLI tool. If it's not bundled, then it's even worse as you hit the supply chain and tooling interference problems (and you still use the same RAM). There are a lot of good, modern, compiled languages. CLI builders should pick up those stacks imho.
massysett 10 hours ago [-]
In case the author is, like so many people, sensitive to this kind of criticism, I will say this:
Thank you for giving the world your free software. Feel no compunction to undertake extra work to please people who criticize your work. They are not paying for your software and are not paying your bills. If your install eats enormous amounts of ram or uses a programming language they do not like, that is their problem. In your case for example they are free to get Bloomberg.
If you want to do free work to please critical people, ok. But I wouldn’t bother. Thank you for all the work you did to write your software and then the even more work you did to share it. I write my own software but don’t bother sharing it because it’s a lot of work, so I appreciate you.
Is it? I see some kinda subscription, so there's gotta be some non MIT portion of it
alwa 16 hours ago [-]
That page seems to indicate that the subscription is to a real-time data feed, rather than the software itself—am I mistaken?
nemomarx 15 hours ago [-]
Unless you're paying to turn on access to purely a third party feed (which would be odd to me) there's some server side code taking those feeds and that the app is calling. Is that server code MIT licensed?
An open source interface to a proprietary backend isn't really fully auditable.
ryukoposting 6 hours ago [-]
It's a completely legitimate complaint. If anything, it's an even stronger complaint because of the lack of provenance. And even stronger when you consider that there is intent to monetize: https://gloom.sh/cloud
It doesn't take a genius to realize this entire project was probably vibe coded. What does the script actually do? What assumptions does it make about the user's system? Has any human actually looked at it to figure that out?
> please don't write command line tools in non-compiled languages!
Around 40% of Linux CLI tools are written in interpreted languages.
antonvs 17 hours ago [-]
The standard Linux CLI tools are installed by a package manager, which has addressed the issues raised upthread. Installs via curl | bash don’t automatically benefit from that.
rtaylorgarlock 18 hours ago [-]
Let those be the 40% we prefer less :)
Revealing stack does not validate the framework, but we appreciate some foss sauce 'round these parts.
This is how I found out it's a javascript project and didn't install it. I only even bothered to do that because I actually wanted to try it. I'm just saying it would be awesome to have that right there next to the curl command.
> Around 40% of Linux CLI tools are written in interpreted languages.
And I prefer not to use those. Everything I said for Javascript holds for Python, Perl, Ruby... as well.
cztomsik 5 hours ago [-]
I think the point was that even Bash is interpreted.
bobajeff 18 hours ago [-]
I know where you're coming from. I've been worried about all the supply chain attacks on npm too. And I'm far from a security expert. However, if you're okay with installing binary packages via `curl somesite.com | sh` I don't think you are in a better position with regards to security.
slowin 18 hours ago [-]
Security is just one of my concerns. I'm actually more worried about borking my system because it's doing some out of band stuff with various javascript pieces that already exist on my system (not by my choice!).
rbanffy 11 hours ago [-]
I write command line tools primarily with Python and one thing I always try to do is to limit myself to the standard library, which, with Python, is quite sufficient for most of what I do.
Anyway, most of what I write is designed to be installed in a virtualenv, which restricts the blast radius to one specific application.
Pooge 17 hours ago [-]
And in the GitHub release page they include compiled binaries anyway... Why would you advertise `curl | bash` as a way to install if there's a binary available?!
Download it, put it wherever you like (probably `~/.local/bin/`) and you're good to use it.
Sometimes I truly wonder...
munksbeer 13 hours ago [-]
It seems to have become "the thing" to do. I can't figure out if it is bad as it feels. Why would I run `curl | bash` on something that could be doing literally anything. It feels crazy that all the lessons we've learned just get thrown away.
On the other hand, just because I run `brew install someapp`, it somehow feels safer, but why? That app could be doing anything too.
wett 8 hours ago [-]
I just learned these two:
1. If the connection dies mid transfer, bash will still execute it.
So `rm -rf ~/.local/bin/whatever` can become `rm -rf ~`
The author can avoid this by wrapping everything in a function. But you wouldn’t know if they did so if you aren’t outputting it to a file first.
2. Say the link points to an S3 bucket and it gets compromised, there’s no record of the payload to analyze.
I’m sure there’s a plethora of other subtleties, but I’ve always had the same question as you and thought I’d share.
seanw444 17 hours ago [-]
Convenience. That's usually the answer.
rbanffy 11 hours ago [-]
One thing I dislike is that the installer wants super user permissions. That’s a big no-no with JavaScript apps installing global components. All global machine state should be managed with package managers, preferably only one package manager.
zombot 2 hours ago [-]
The project is vibe-coded slop and coding LLMs are not famous for using obvious or minimalistic approaches.
veltas 5 hours ago [-]
In defense given the amount of web content being processed it makes a lot of sense to use JS and related tech. It's put to good use here.
lavela 18 hours ago [-]
Agree. If you really want to know what's used here: probably uses bun single-file executables[0] so shouldn't clash with anything else on your system.
lmao curling and exec'ing a vibe coded script running in a vibe-coded runtime, what could possibly go wrong!
otabdeveloper4 17 hours ago [-]
Don't worry about it, it was code reviewed by Claude.
zeroq 15 hours ago [-]
disclaimer: I haven't seen the code
TS/JS is not the problem.
You can, and you should eject your dependencies and package them with your releases. And I don't understand why it's not a common practice.
You can even bundle your releases with a runtime, but that's not always the best solution. For something like this I'd actually prefer interpreted code I can inspect line by line rather than having a blob of unknown origin.
tingletech 16 hours ago [-]
you can test it out with
bunx gloomberb
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AgentME 11 hours ago [-]
A command line tool in a non-compiled language is still much better than an network-connected tool in a non-memory-safe language.
fragmede 2 hours ago [-]
If you're gonna be particular about it, that's on you, dude. curl | bash is a stupid way to install software in the first place! But we're all lazy and it's too easy to just copy and paste that. If you're gonna be lazy about it, you don't get to complain about it. curl | less is right there!
qurren 13 hours ago [-]
You can always bundle the runtime for interpreted languages and pretend it's compiled.
zombot 2 hours ago [-]
It does have a GitHub link where all these questions are answered: Claude-generated TypeScript slop. So no, you don't want to pipe this into your bash.
YeGoblynQueenne 15 hours ago [-]
>> Related: please don't write command line tools in non-compiled languages!
... unless, of course, it's Perl. Right?
baist0 15 hours ago [-]
yeah! agree. this shity approach when user solves technical problems.
talentedcoin 17 hours ago [-]
I really wish this was not the top comment on HN. It’s a cool project! Maybe try it??! Or just be silent!
Pooge 17 hours ago [-]
I agree with you that the author of this project is catching a stray bullet, but I also have to agree with GP that `curl | bash` got way too out of hand.
I don't know where that came from but it should definitely disappear.
At least the developer includes the binaries for all platforms in the GitHub release page.
enquirewithin 17 hours ago [-]
You can have any opinion, so long as it’s mine.
talentedcoin 17 hours ago [-]
Why should anyone care about your opinion if you are adding no value to the conversation?
xp84 17 hours ago [-]
How is it "adding no value"?
It's not crazy to prefer a package manager package to a curl|bash YOLO. OP is stating that preference, which various people have agreed with. If you posted "I love curl|bash install method - please do more of this" that is also fine. Either way it's a signal for both the author and anyone considering shipping this type of software, that their audience may have a certain preference.
nemomarx 17 hours ago [-]
I know it's kind of a nitpick, but is there really no value at all in "your install is just curl | bash and that seems insecure and risky"
I would want to know that about any project before I try and evaluate it personally.
rdiddly 19 hours ago [-]
Useful on its own merits.
Everybody who's distracted by the name and can't get past it, there's a thread developing here somewhere, where they're comparing it to Bloomberg.
ynac 18 hours ago [-]
100% agree. It's a fun name, but it ends up begging the comparison. The look and feel of it was an instant download for me. It's actually exactly what I want and even tried / failed to build on my own for years. I'll be supporting this project.
nancyminusone 17 hours ago [-]
the name makes it seem like it only delivers bad news
justsid 16 hours ago [-]
I definitely assumed it was a Bloomberg terminal for doom scrollers.
rbanffy 11 hours ago [-]
It’s not really their fault. It’s just the world we live in.
fragmede 2 hours ago [-]
Yes it's their fault they chose that name because that's how they feel. Could have called it HappyBloom and gone on a positive vibes instead of being, well, gloomy. Fervo energy is this advanced geothermal power plant that doesn't have the same problems as solar (night) or wind (doesn't work if there's no wind). Fusion looks like won't take another 50 years to happen. The future is as bright or as dark you want it to be!
rdiddly 14 hours ago [-]
Yes and with an avian messenger
Revanche1367 14 hours ago [-]
Very fitting then!
brendoelfrendo 19 hours ago [-]
Yeah, I think a few of the widgets here are neat and useful. It's not a Bloomberg replacement, but it might be a good replacement for a few tabs? You could get the info elsewhere, but I like this presentation more.
Edit: Ah, they're offering a pro subscription. While I appreciate that cloud services aren't free, I'm not sure that I'm willing to pay to replace a few browser tabs. Not for me, but maybe for someone!
m0k167eh 17 hours ago [-]
ditch the name
explain where you got the data from
else this will just be bit of Bloomberg meme
u8 20 hours ago [-]
Yeah... people aren't paying Bloomberg $31,980 per year for a TUI. They're paying for the data source... and I don't think you have Bloomberg's connections.
ryukoposting 19 hours ago [-]
Asked a dear friend in the finance industry what he thought about Bloomberg. He's the type of guy who uses these systems daily. Mostly paraphrasing:
1) Bloomberg was lightyears ahead of anything else in the pre-internet days, so there's a lot of UI familiarity.
2) Bloomberg's chat is important because, as a hedge fund or investment bank, the chat is how you buy and sell bonds. You agree to the trade in the chat, then tell the back office folks to execute the trade. Direct quote: "I'd wager 90% of the ~400 trillion in annual bond trading value happens over Bloomberg DM"
3) Bloomberg is the biggest and best aggregator
This is fascinating to be because I always assumed latency was the key. After all, the only Bloomberg terminal I've ever seen in person was hooked up to its own dedicated fiber drop. It seems like the chat and sheer breadth of data are the differentiators.
_fat_santa 18 hours ago [-]
I've heard the same thing about Bloomberg's chat many years ago. Since everyone you're chatting to also has to fork over ~$30k/yr to use it, there's the implicit assumption that you're talking to a serious person.
mattnewton 19 hours ago [-]
TIL Bloomberg terminal is the original iMessage blue bubbles network
rbanffy 11 hours ago [-]
Along with BlackBerry messenger.
pizzalife 19 hours ago [-]
It's funny to think some of the world's largest trades are being done in something that resembles a game's tradechat. (WTS bonds)
lq9AJ8yrfs 18 hours ago [-]
For a long time fixed income trading took place over AOL Instant Messenger and later Yahoo chat rooms.
I am not making this up.
There were custom frontends that would enrich things like cusips.
ceasesurthinko 9 hours ago [-]
Slack (acquired by Salesforce in 2021 for $27 billion) started out as a chat app built for the devs of a failing online multiplayer video game called Glitch.
ConcernedCoder 15 hours ago [-]
Unlocked a core memory for me!
Anyone else old enough to remember scripting a tradebot in Asheron's Call?
globular-toast 18 hours ago [-]
I find it a bit less funny. There is this perception that what finance people do is super important and grown up but following a brief stint in the industry I realised it literally is just a game. We used to trade bits of stationery and trading cards for fun at school. They never stopped. The only difference is people who never consented to any of this are paying for it all, especially when it all goes wrong.
linkregister 18 hours ago [-]
Why would a trader need your consent to make a trade with somebody else?
grigri907 18 hours ago [-]
I assumed they were referring to market crashes caused by irresponsible levels of risks and deceptive practices like we saw in 2008, and/or government-funded bailouts
graemep 15 hours ago [-]
That was not caused by trading. It was caused by irresponsible lending and deceptive securitisation of that debt.
Trading can bring down a bank (e.g.Barings) but is not a big systemic risk.
wyre 14 hours ago [-]
Is lending not a trade? Two parties exchange money for terms of repayment/debt.
linkregister 13 hours ago [-]
The trading occurring on the Bloomberg terminal is of bonds, equities, and commodities.
wyre 9 hours ago [-]
Sure, this subthread was about finance people in general, the big short in 2008, and other government-funded bailouts.
graemep 5 hours ago [-]
If you look at ancestors there are repeated references to trades and trading, not to finance or banking.
globular-toast 4 hours ago [-]
Unless you're trading physical goods for other physical goods, ie. bartering, then it's finance.
johnsmith1840 15 hours ago [-]
"Capitalism bad" is generally their point
FromOmelas 17 hours ago [-]
often they're trading things with externalities
yulker 18 hours ago [-]
why should we have financial regulation at all, is that what you're getting at?
linkregister 13 hours ago [-]
No, I meant exactly what I wrote and nothing more.
yulker 8 hours ago [-]
Trading securities is under an incredible amount of regulation, making your point flippant rather than substantive
linkregister 3 hours ago [-]
You continue to read subtext that is simply not there.
allthetime 18 hours ago [-]
That should have been obvious from the mere fact that the bottom rungs are almost completely populated by silver-spooned nepo-babies.
JumpCrisscross 16 hours ago [-]
> the bottom rungs are almost completely populated by silver-spooned nepo-babies
You’re thinking of investment banking, corporate finance. Trading has always been the place folks from less privileged backgrounds got into finance. In the old days, Jews. (Like, into the 50s.) In the 80s, poor schmucks.
allthetime 16 hours ago [-]
I know a lot of traders from both university and growing up around rich kids. Their parents are invariably very wealthy. They were the ones who had the time and safety net to sit around on computers all the time (like me becoming a programmer)
I’m not in the trading world though so I haven’t met the ones that don’t fit this description.
But exactly zero of the people I know who were raised in either poverty or mediocrity are traders or involved in finance, aside from maybe accounting.
Of course, this is all anecdotal - but I’ve only ever seen Bloomberg terminals outside of office settings in the apartments of wealthy children.
Perhaps things were a bit different decades ago, in the scrappy past, but it feels like most higher earning spheres are closing in around pre-existing wealth.
JumpCrisscross 16 hours ago [-]
> I’m not in the trading world
I was. Algorithmic derivatives. The rich kids went into banking. Their connections bought deal flow. Those of us from public universities mostly went into trading. It’s why it’s been looked down on within Wall Street since basically ever.
> I’ve only ever seen Bloomberg terminals outside of office settings in the apartments of wealthy children
Parents buying their kids Bloomberg terminals aren’t looking for them to get into trading, they’re training them to start a hedge fund.
(I’d also guess a minority of folks with a BB are traders. It’s really more of a vetted calling card.)
kasey_junk 10 hours ago [-]
You know _traders_ who came from wealthy backgrounds? That's a completely incongruous outcome in my experience. At least in the markets I'm aware of from my career (commodities and fx) the trading component has effectively always been a middle class activity. Something that the kids of cops and plumbers did if they didn't want to go into the family business.
That has changed in the last 20 years or so but only because those jobs have effectively gone away. They are the factory jobs of the finance world. They succumbed to the automation impulse that started in the 80s and reached its zenith in the early 2010s. Traders basically don't exist anymore, a computer can do the job much more effectively. So much so that I was shocked when I _encountered_ a real live trading desk as part of a recent job move.
sheeshkebab 18 hours ago [-]
It’s pretty bad except that any other way is even worse.
tikhonj 19 hours ago [-]
Bloomberg is big enough that different aspects of the system are going to be absolutely key for substantial subsets of its customers.
Terr_ 18 hours ago [-]
Hence quips like: "Most customers only use 10% of your features, but every customer uses a different 10%."
akk0 17 hours ago [-]
Ptuh, call me back when Bloomberg implements spacebar heating!
steveBK123 19 hours ago [-]
Yes its a multi-decade long-tail of thousands and thousands of use cases all used in different combinations by different users.
nose 18 hours ago [-]
I find it interesting that nobody from the finance community is directly speaking about their experience in this thread.
What's the equivalent of hacker news for financial folk?
RattlesnakeJake 17 hours ago [-]
Apparently it's the Bloomberg chat
altairprime 13 hours ago [-]
Bloomberg Terminal is that equivalent. Like, imagine if RHEL had an integrated live service TUI and integrated chat messenger system for customers, and you’d get about the same result except for a Linux distribution discussing packages and kernel patches and such, right? And since everyone using it is a paying customer, they can be taken for granted as likely being a serious participant rather than a bot/troll.
ryukoposting 7 hours ago [-]
I think they just have the good sense to not talk to us bozos. They don't need us accidentally blogging about something confidential.
nunez 6 hours ago [-]
Wallstreetoasis used to be it; not sure anymore
pid-1 15 hours ago [-]
The terminal is also sort of an app platform for brokers and other firms to sell services to the buy side.
A few examples:
1. As a researcher, you can develop indexes and portfolios, then make those available to customers via bbg
2. Goldman has a service that let's you buy equities via SWAPs, if a fund can't hold said equities for regulatory or operational reasons. The whole service is a series of menus within the terminal.
3. Many brokers offer automatic trading services like "sell this notional but do it very slowly" etc etc... they do that via bbg
nunez 6 hours ago [-]
Used to be AIM when that was a thing; I'm pretty sure the HFT folks were singlehandedly keeping it alive
NoboruWataya 18 hours ago [-]
It's really only a specific subset of traders that need close to zero latency. Many other finance professionals deal on larger timescales so it's not that big a deal. I am more "finance-adjacent" so I don't use Bloomberg personally but have worked on plenty of deals where "time sensitive" means "it has to get done this week. Oh wait, the bank hasn't finished its KYC checks yet. Okay, it definitely has to get done next week. Unless the KYC checks are still ongoing, in which case, for sure gotta get it done by the end of the month".
bfrink 11 hours ago [-]
Y latency doesn't matter if a human is looking at something. By the time your caveman-speed brain reacts, an FPGA sitting in an Equinix data center has made a hundred trades.
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deadbabe 18 hours ago [-]
There is a marketplace on Bloomberg where you can buy and sell interesting stuff you don’t really find anywhere else. Some of it stored in freeports and delivered to your freeport, etc. top tier escorts, etc.
tecleandor 18 hours ago [-]
In freeports? So you mean like art?
deadbabe 13 hours ago [-]
More than just art in freeports.
dist-epoch 18 hours ago [-]
Bloomberg Terminal is for humans. It takes about 10 clicks to do a stock BUY. your average retail stock trading platform is much quicker, many have 1 click trading.
The dedicated fiber drop was most likely for reliability, not for latency.
traceroute66 19 hours ago [-]
> They're paying for the data source
Yup.
If you want fixed-income data, Bloomberg is the only shop on the street data-wise.
If you want other financial data, Bloomberg's fixed entry-point pricing tends to make more sense in terms of bang for buck than its competitors modular price sheets.
People saying Bloomberg is just about the chat are simply embarrassing themselves.
Look at the price sheets of Eikon, Factset, CapIQ etc. There is no such thing as a cheap "Bloomberg killer".
Quality data is expensive. So are the leased-lines it arrives at Bloomberg on. So is the data wrangling architecture.
ovrnightr 17 hours ago [-]
Bloomberg is also a channel for other data providers. You can access your gas pipeline flow data and index prices, which you buy from SP Global, via Bloomberg, for example. It brings data sources into one place.
resters 17 hours ago [-]
It's a bit ironic that in a country with free markets, so much of the data that is relevant to modern finance is proprietary and quite expensive.
The exchange/marketplace is the oldest business in the world. How absurd that in 2026 seats on exchanges cost millions and the entities that control exchanges are mechanisms of gatekeeping rather than quality control -- the cronyism shown to SpaceX reveals just how corrupt it's become.
wavemode 14 hours ago [-]
A stock exchange is nothing more than a marketplace. Anyone can start their own (the challenge being, getting a bunch of companies to want to list their stock with you).
That freedom is actually why it's hard to create a Bloomberg competitor - in order to provide their data stream, Bloomberg has to have partnerships with hundreds of companies worldwide who run exchanges for stocks, bonds and other instruments. If exchanges were government-controlled rather than free-market, there would be more centralization and getting the data together would be easier.
munksbeer 13 hours ago [-]
> A stock exchange is nothing more than a marketplace. Anyone can start their own (the challenge being, getting a bunch of companies to want to list their stock with you).
Not really true. I can't just start a stock exchange. I need to comply with a bazillion regulations. Then I need a license, which I won't get.
As much as the crypto space is disliked, it also showed what happens when regulation isn't stopping you. Exchanges would pop up and anyone could create one. You didn't have to be already wealthy, a spin off from a hedge fund, a connected family, a connected person. You could just do it, and if it was good enough, people would trade on your venue.
Then, probably correctly, regulation came, and now that is all gone. The little person can't do that any longer, it is now reserved for the elites again.
cedilla 4 hours ago [-]
There was also a lot of fraud and mismanagement. People's crypto vanished and no one at the exchange was able to reconstruct how because there was no sufficient security and no real bookkeeping.
There is a lot of regulatory capture in the financia sector, but that does not in imply that no regulation is necessary at all
munksbeer 4 hours ago [-]
"Then, probably correctly, regulation came, and now that is all gone."
dpmartinez 18 hours ago [-]
This is what is wrong with the world today.
seanclayton 18 hours ago [-]
They're too busy dealing with their fake life problems to think about their impact on the world.
devin 20 hours ago [-]
To be fair, I don't see anywhere on this page where they try to suggest that this is competitive with a Bloomberg terminal.
wnmurphy 19 hours ago [-]
Seriously. I see a cool product that someone built and is sharing with the community, and the top comment is basically a criticism that it's not a $31k terminal.
dpmartinez 18 hours ago [-]
It is almost like they want to be ripped off, the massive amount of gatekeeping is bizzare.
Financial information should be free for everyone.
nancyminusone 17 hours ago [-]
The very fact that it isn't is what makes it so valuable.
dpmartinez 16 hours ago [-]
This is what is wrong with the world today.
intrasight 18 hours ago [-]
Yesterday's data is much cheaper and often free ;)
deadbabe 18 hours ago [-]
It is, after its value has been exploited.
croes 19 hours ago [-]
The name
NDlurker 19 hours ago [-]
Inspired by and competing with are different things
pverheggen 18 hours ago [-]
Well yes, but a lot of people immediately jump to conclusions based on name alone, it's human nature. Definitely something to consider when you're picking a name for a project.
An example that comes to mind is JSON5. People have a visceral reaction to the name, it sounds like it's trying to be HTML4.01 -> 5 but for JSON. In reality, it has its uses but doesn't supersede JSON whatsoever. The name itself has given it a bad rap though.
If you pick a name like "Gloomberb" the most obvious interpretation is that it's a Bloomberg alternative.
jimmydddd 19 hours ago [-]
Financial companies are cutting down on the amount associates can bill the firm for a $30 dinner, and the time before they can have the firm pay for a $30 car ride home. They definitely wouldn't pay for Bloomberg if it could be easily replaced.
rmah 19 hours ago [-]
Bloomberg terminal is only $133/day (assuming 240 work days per year). So, while $32k/yr seems expensive at first glance, given the total annual cost of an analyst or trader, it's not huge. Of course, they'd rather not spend the $32k/yr if they could avoid it, if bloomberg can give you an edge on just one or two trades a year, you come out ahead. So...
toomuchtodo 18 hours ago [-]
I bet its cheaper than tokens for software development with higher ROI.
forshaper 18 hours ago [-]
I can say companies with less than 20 mil arr pay around $150k a year for saas and others (sometimes the same) also pay 50k a year for a niche agent harness.
adjejmxbdjdn 18 hours ago [-]
Skipping a dinner is not losing you much money.
Making a bad trade or missing a good one due to delaying data or bad data can pay for several years worth of bloombergs for everyone in your firm in one moment.
jpfromlondon 19 hours ago [-]
Nobody ever got fired for choosing Bloomberg, even if there was a viable alternative there is no way anyone is pioneering the switch.
mushufasa 20 hours ago [-]
Correct. Also, Bloomberg has messaging for traders that is actually an important network effect in certain domains.
hmokiguess 19 hours ago [-]
Can you elaborate on the network effect piece? Curious about that
lesam 19 hours ago [-]
It's really useful to have a chat app that is gatekept behind a 20k/year+ subscription. It's a particularly useful signal if someone is offering you a million+ dollar asset for sale.
hmokiguess 19 hours ago [-]
I get that, was more curious if you knew how much that is used for signaling and the traffic there. I sort of expected these communities to exist in other sources (like regular SMS / Slack / private back channels etc).
brendoelfrendo 19 hours ago [-]
I'm going to copy-paste one of the comments from ryukoposting higher up in the thread because I think it's relevant here:
> 2) Bloomberg's chat is important because, as a hedge fund or investment bank, the chat is how you buy and sell bonds. You agree to the trade in the chat, then tell the back office folks to execute the trade. Direct quote: "I'd wager 90% of the ~400 trillion in annual bond trading value happens over Bloomberg DM"
You may discuss trades via SMS or Slack; maybe you're important enough that you have a broker, and you send them your idea. But the broker at the investment bank is probably handling those trades via Blomberg terminal. That's the network effect: all the bankers are in Bloomberg chat, and it is therefore the easiest place to find who owns an asset and negotiate a trade.
hmokiguess 18 hours ago [-]
Thank you, that was the piece I wasn't aware of! Appreciate the reposting.
kortilla 19 hours ago [-]
Same effect as a country club. You know a lot about the person you’re talking to just based on their presence.
hmokiguess 19 hours ago [-]
That's a cool way of putting it, thank you!
Bluestein 2 hours ago [-]
(Or you can get an [un-]Truth [a-]Social API subscription and know before everyone else!) /s
quickthrowman 18 hours ago [-]
Some assets are traded OTC aka “in a chat window”.
rdiddly 19 hours ago [-]
Good thing they're not asking $31,980 per year for it then?
weinzierl 18 hours ago [-]
Also, and in addition, the value of the Bloomberg Terminal is not the UI, it is the consistency. You don't pay for an accelerator and a break pedal, you pay for the 100% guarantee to find them in the place >100k people have been trained to find them.
rvz 20 hours ago [-]
> They're paying for the data source... and I don't think you have Bloomberg's connections.
We keep seeing hundreds of Bloomberg competitors mimicking the interface and they always forget that the chat (with the connections), data and the newsroom are the reasons why Bloomberg's network effect is close to impossible to break.
Using the Bloomberg Terminal is taught very early at colleges for any finance professional, which is how they get them as well.
notpushkin 19 hours ago [-]
I think it is more oriented towards retail investors (if anybody) than professional users. In theory it could compete with TradingView?
(I’d especially love to see some federated social feature built in!)
hmokiguess 19 hours ago [-]
Is it still though? I have a few finance friends and they all seem to be on TradingView these days
quickthrowman 18 hours ago [-]
Are they trading bonds, equities, credit default swaps, options,
, etc in large dollar amounts? “Finance” is pretty broad, Bloomberg is for traders and I-bankers afaict.
storus 18 hours ago [-]
Can't you just use a bunch of agents to extract financial statements from company websites the moment they are published? OK, no insider info but you can still do quick agentic fundamental analysis and decide which companies are interesting.
nemomarx 16 hours ago [-]
If fundamentals matter for stock performance, sure yeah. I would be interested to see the results of trying that against the kinda alpha wall street uses usually
storus 14 hours ago [-]
Some folks do fundamental analysis, some do technical analysis, most do a mix of those. You don't need Bloomberg terminal to extract fundamentals nor alpha. Maybe a better example would be S&P Capital IQ - you can essentially replace it with agents doing the web searches and extractions for you. Another 20-50k saved.
bfrink 11 hours ago [-]
The US publishes financial statements for free on EDGAR. But then you have to parse the unstructured data, normalize it so you can compare a bank to an airline to a manufacturer and then you have to accommodate mergers and acquisitions throughout history and every revision a company makes for prior periods, and then you're starting to talk about real money and the price of Cap IQ or Compustat or Factset starts to look pretty attractive, especially if your alpha doesn't come from your proprietary methods of databasing financial statements.
Bluescreenbuddy 17 hours ago [-]
You're paying for direct lines to these firms. It's a big chat/social media platform. Combined with the data and news and you got yourself a hell of a platform
handwarmers 19 hours ago [-]
does the author claim to be a bloomberg clone?
dist-epoch 18 hours ago [-]
Many people pay the Bloomberg Terminal subscription ONLY for the chat. They don't use anything else from it.
theodric 19 hours ago [-]
Some of us are just here for the æsthetics! Plus I already have the SEA100 "Centerboard" with chrome accents, and this will help complete the look.
minimaltom 18 hours ago [-]
I mean look at the name... this seems more like a fun quip than a product. I'm over here basking in the glow of dem vibes.
d--b 19 hours ago [-]
actually a lot of data is not included in the standard bloomberg license and you have to pay extra (mostly passing through to the data vendors) to get access to it.
There is not a single reason for Bloomberg’s dominance but the one feature that keeps people on it is the chat.
sakimonkey 20 hours ago [-]
it's a GUI and a TUI, pay attention to the screenshots
passivegains 20 hours ago [-]
Does the GUI have Bloomberg's data source?
dewey 17 hours ago [-]
There's many competitors these days, one that Shkreli always seems to use in his streams is https://godelterminal.com (Not open source though).
eudamoniac 17 hours ago [-]
He created that company I believe. I interviewed at Godel long ago and would probably have received an offer but he was convicted during the interview process and they paused hiring.
dewey 17 hours ago [-]
Ah you are right, it's mentioned on the career page. I thought he might be an advisor there.
Bloomberg's moat is the messaging service within it, not it's aggregation of data
hodder 18 hours ago [-]
People repeat this rhetoric all the time, but I promise you, finance professionals can and do easily migrate to other messaging platforms such as ICE chat. This isn't a moat for BBG
jeffbee 18 hours ago [-]
Evidence for this being that BlackBerry Messenger and even AOL Instant Messenger had various amounts of traction during the lifetime of Instant Bloomberg.
mortenjorck 13 hours ago [-]
As someone whose trading is mostly based on vibes via Reuters, X, and the Apple Stocks app, this is a fun dip in the deep end. The tiling UI is quite sensible once you get the hang of it.
The one thing I can't figure out is how to set a pane to change its ticker symbol based on the selected one in another pane. The default research panes do this, but I can't figure out how to set a new one to do it.
MP_1729 17 hours ago [-]
Next week, it's my turn to create an UI for financial modeling prep API
cube00 14 hours ago [-]
Fine, but I get to vibe next week's markdown editor.
nunez 6 hours ago [-]
I thought that the thing that makes Bloomberg stupid expensive is their proprietary market data feeds...
grahammccain 18 hours ago [-]
I don't think the finance field needs a better bloomberg, I think the whole interface and everything needs to be rethought. Part of the moat is the data, and data access. But I think we need to completely reimagine the terminal interface and interactions with the introduction of AI. The finance industry probably will be slow to adapt, but I genuinely think someone could completely disrupt 99% of the wall street businesses with an original idea.
nancyminusone 17 hours ago [-]
A large amount of the value is that you aren't allowed in.
springtimesun 18 hours ago [-]
My observation is that finance and banking and corporate functions high enough up the ladder operate more like a clubhouse than cutthroat businesses. You’d think all you need to do is make a better interface, but if you’re not part of the club, you’re not doing the business (or even getting shot at it).
cube00 14 hours ago [-]
"It's a big club and you ain't in it."
JumpCrisscross 16 hours ago [-]
> Part of the moat is the data
Not particularly. I don’t think Bloomberg has any super-proprietary data. It’s more like Excel. There is a command or two that is so weirdly niche specific that some user somewhere really needs. And it has a social network.
Bloomberg, as it is, will probably work as long as humans are in the loop in trading financial assets.
hmokiguess 20 hours ago [-]
this looks neat, what's the data source and latency?
Which is not great for history, right? Seems like a real detractor.
You pretty much need $30/m subscriptions for historical data. Not that it couldn't be worked into this.
tolugenius 20 hours ago [-]
Was just about to ask on data sourcing, I imagine yfinance is used but can't really tell for anything else (like for prediction markets or news data).
charv 20 hours ago [-]
An aside - do tools like this (or what it's modeling, the Bloomberg Terminal) really offer that much benefit to finance folks?
elictronic 19 hours ago [-]
Here's an article. Basically if your trading stocks no. If you are trading different instruments or want interaction with the money folks (connections) yes.
https://financetracked.com/bloomberg-terminal
From it:
"Bonds and Fixed Income: It provides the best data for interest rates and debt markets.
Global Economics: It easily connects data from different countries, such as currency rates and government debt.
The Chat Room: The messaging system is the industry standard. If you want to talk to the biggest players in the market, you often need to be on Bloomberg."
Ntrails 19 hours ago [-]
Depends a bit how you're trading stocks - bbg is still an extremely attractive data provider so I'd not dismiss them out of hand.
elictronic 17 hours ago [-]
There are alternatives that cost much less than 30k per year for just stocks. They need to prove their value proposition for that more generalized use case.
My dismissal is their problem to solve.
Retr0id 19 hours ago [-]
Bloomberg Terminal costs ~$24K per user per year, so the fact that people are paying for it implies it offers at least that much value. As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, most of that value lies in the data sources.
zombot 2 hours ago [-]
If the dinosaurs had managed their stock portfolios more diligently, they wouldn't have gone extinct.
israrkhan 10 hours ago [-]
The script is blocked by our interal firewall. The reason : malware.
bellowsgulch 12 hours ago [-]
I'm a regular Joe, but finance screens seem like pure wank to me. If you work a desk in NYC, maybe it's a different story, and even then probably not, but if you're some bum nobody from LA with a little bit of money to throw around, there's absolutely nothing these things, or 6 simultaneous screens and an RGB PC case are going to tell you that give you some sort of long-term edge.
Horoscopes for young impressionable men, along with Bitcoin and all sorts of crap, was the most articulate way I've heard it.
As if technical analysis was worth more insight than pissing straight up looking for rain. Sure, it's wet.
andreypk 19 hours ago [-]
Interesting project, the view looks like gpui based interface, but source code say that it is web based interface written on typescript
aanet 16 hours ago [-]
Is there a way to run this inside a container? Like Podman?
phplovesong 5 hours ago [-]
This looks like its 100% vibe coded.
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josefritzishere 14 hours ago [-]
This is hilarious - 10/10
sigmonsays 19 hours ago [-]
This post / OP really needs to say if it's AI SLOP or not and to what extent. This looks like AI slop.
jeffbee 18 hours ago [-]
Any "TUI" you've seen in the past few years is 100% vide-coded slop.
dpmartinez 18 hours ago [-]
Curious what you consider those that aren't 100% 'slop', aside from the common ones.
Because I'm starting to see the word 'slop' as a synonym for:
"This person may or may not have used AI to build software and I don't like it"
jeffbee 17 hours ago [-]
Slop is slop when the author could not have done it without the AI.
Right but it doesn't answer my question about what you don't consider a slop TUI though.
> Slop is slop when the author could not have done it without the AI.
For Vim (1.) and Linux's AI adoption policies, there are some contributors who couldn't have made a PR / patch without AI. Are Vim and Linux now considered slop because they allow AI contributions?
I would say this is a fair question, and that slop can be laundered when there are multiple collaborators and at least one of them knows what they are doing. Whereas a monograph written entirely by Claude is always just slop.
dpmartinez 5 hours ago [-]
> I would say this is a fair question, and that slop can be laundered when there are multiple collaborators and at least one of them knows what they are doing.
Sounds like you consider Vim and Linux to be slop by your definition. As an example:
Clicking download in the top right gives me a .dmg, the other download button in the hero gives me the .exe, the one in the footer gives me a .dmg
Docs give me a 404, blog is empty
dpmartinez 19 hours ago [-]
> The download button doesn't even work properly. Clicking download in the top right gives me a .dmg, the other download button in the hero gives me the .exe, the one in the footer gives me a .dmg
I mean, it works for me?
The site is clearly not ready and maybe they didn't expect people to find it, but that doesn't mean the site is bad.
It is just a work in progress.
I'm not even interested in the site anyway the software and the source interests me more.
I think a site that doesn't work properly is a bad one. That's just my opinion.
dpmartinez 19 hours ago [-]
> What do you mean? It's linked on the Github repo...I think a site that doesn't work properly is a bad one. That's just my opinion.
I mean isn't this the point of open source?
You can fork the repo and fix the problem instead of complaining?
echoangle 17 hours ago [-]
You can still give constructive criticism of an open source project though, right?
dpmartinez 17 hours ago [-]
Never said you can't.
You can fix it though or open an issue.
TZubiri 17 hours ago [-]
So, volunteer time for free for someone else?
>I mean isn't this the point of open source?
Only if you just found what open source is.
In actuality, successful open source projects recruit developers by providing value to them. If there's a failure before you even install the product, there's 0 reason for someone to start contributing right away, why not start their own project at that point? Contributing 1 to something that has 0 value is a donation in exchange for nothing, not how Open Source usually works.
dpmartinez 17 hours ago [-]
> So, volunteer time for free for someone else?
Yes.
You know the project is OSS, you found the problem, you can fix it or open and issue instead of complaining to me about it.
Problem solved.
That benefits everyone rather than forking a project and starting all over again and wasting effort.
I cannot reproduce the problem, so I can't fix it.
But since you're complaining about it and you have the right skills, you can!
TZubiri 18 hours ago [-]
Exactly, our time is limited, so if we are to evaluate a product, we will take any excuse possible to veto a vendor.
If you fail at a webpage in 2026, you have no chance at doing anything complex or innovative.
cwnyth 20 hours ago [-]
Looks fine on my end (Firefox).
timcobb 20 hours ago [-]
what platform is that? looks fine on mine
TZubiri 18 hours ago [-]
MS Edge, which is Chromium (Blink?) Based
genewitch 13 hours ago [-]
broken on firefox, ms edge, and Brave in the exact same way. On windows.
8note 20 hours ago [-]
Gloom Harder?
ghjv 20 hours ago [-]
looks fine on my machine
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mistercheph 18 hours ago [-]
total slop, who cares?
gymbeaux 20 hours ago [-]
When I see new software now, my first thought is an LLM wrote it and it makes me not want to use it. I also assume there are bugs and it’s not particularly feature-rich.
MyHonestOpinon 18 hours ago [-]
It is becoming very hard not to use an LLM. I have been working on a project all this year. I started doing everything by hand, and I am using LLMs a little bit more every day.
I suppose we want to use projects that were crafted with care, whether or not LLMs were used. But it is not easy to figure that out. It reminds me. 30 years ago, before code formatters were popular, you could tell good code just by looking at how carefully formatted it was.
m0k167eh 17 hours ago [-]
and you think Bloomberg engineers dont use AI heavily?
ahahs 20 hours ago [-]
my first thoughts too.
janlukacs 18 hours ago [-]
same and for some reason people are downvoting. why would we use vibecoded stuff with sensitive information?
dewey 18 hours ago [-]
What’s sensitive about displaying public information in pretty graphs?
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RetroTechie 20 hours ago [-]
gloom.sh/docs - 404: This page could not be found.
Related: please don't write command line tools in non-compiled languages! Don't make the runtime your user's problem.
My point about interpreted languages stands though. These bundled javascript runtime "apps" eat at least 500M of RAM on boot. That's totally not needed for a CLI tool. If it's not bundled, then it's even worse as you hit the supply chain and tooling interference problems (and you still use the same RAM). There are a lot of good, modern, compiled languages. CLI builders should pick up those stacks imho.
Thank you for giving the world your free software. Feel no compunction to undertake extra work to please people who criticize your work. They are not paying for your software and are not paying your bills. If your install eats enormous amounts of ram or uses a programming language they do not like, that is their problem. In your case for example they are free to get Bloomberg.
If you want to do free work to please critical people, ok. But I wouldn’t bother. Thank you for all the work you did to write your software and then the even more work you did to share it. I write my own software but don’t bother sharing it because it’s a lot of work, so I appreciate you.
Is it? I see some kinda subscription, so there's gotta be some non MIT portion of it
An open source interface to a proprietary backend isn't really fully auditable.
It doesn't take a genius to realize this entire project was probably vibe coded. What does the script actually do? What assumptions does it make about the user's system? Has any human actually looked at it to figure that out?
> please don't write command line tools in non-compiled languages!
Around 40% of Linux CLI tools are written in interpreted languages.
This is how I found out it's a javascript project and didn't install it. I only even bothered to do that because I actually wanted to try it. I'm just saying it would be awesome to have that right there next to the curl command.
> Around 40% of Linux CLI tools are written in interpreted languages.
And I prefer not to use those. Everything I said for Javascript holds for Python, Perl, Ruby... as well.
Anyway, most of what I write is designed to be installed in a virtualenv, which restricts the blast radius to one specific application.
Download it, put it wherever you like (probably `~/.local/bin/`) and you're good to use it.
Sometimes I truly wonder...
On the other hand, just because I run `brew install someapp`, it somehow feels safer, but why? That app could be doing anything too.
1. If the connection dies mid transfer, bash will still execute it.
So `rm -rf ~/.local/bin/whatever` can become `rm -rf ~`
The author can avoid this by wrapping everything in a function. But you wouldn’t know if they did so if you aren’t outputting it to a file first.
2. Say the link points to an S3 bucket and it gets compromised, there’s no record of the payload to analyze.
I’m sure there’s a plethora of other subtleties, but I’ve always had the same question as you and thought I’d share.
[0] https://bun.com/docs/bundler/executables
TS/JS is not the problem.
You can, and you should eject your dependencies and package them with your releases. And I don't understand why it's not a common practice.
You can even bundle your releases with a runtime, but that's not always the best solution. For something like this I'd actually prefer interpreted code I can inspect line by line rather than having a blob of unknown origin.
... unless, of course, it's Perl. Right?
I don't know where that came from but it should definitely disappear.
At least the developer includes the binaries for all platforms in the GitHub release page.
It's not crazy to prefer a package manager package to a curl|bash YOLO. OP is stating that preference, which various people have agreed with. If you posted "I love curl|bash install method - please do more of this" that is also fine. Either way it's a signal for both the author and anyone considering shipping this type of software, that their audience may have a certain preference.
I would want to know that about any project before I try and evaluate it personally.
Everybody who's distracted by the name and can't get past it, there's a thread developing here somewhere, where they're comparing it to Bloomberg.
Edit: Ah, they're offering a pro subscription. While I appreciate that cloud services aren't free, I'm not sure that I'm willing to pay to replace a few browser tabs. Not for me, but maybe for someone!
explain where you got the data from
else this will just be bit of Bloomberg meme
I am not making this up.
There were custom frontends that would enrich things like cusips.
Anyone else old enough to remember scripting a tradebot in Asheron's Call?
Trading can bring down a bank (e.g.Barings) but is not a big systemic risk.
You’re thinking of investment banking, corporate finance. Trading has always been the place folks from less privileged backgrounds got into finance. In the old days, Jews. (Like, into the 50s.) In the 80s, poor schmucks.
I’m not in the trading world though so I haven’t met the ones that don’t fit this description.
But exactly zero of the people I know who were raised in either poverty or mediocrity are traders or involved in finance, aside from maybe accounting.
Of course, this is all anecdotal - but I’ve only ever seen Bloomberg terminals outside of office settings in the apartments of wealthy children.
Perhaps things were a bit different decades ago, in the scrappy past, but it feels like most higher earning spheres are closing in around pre-existing wealth.
I was. Algorithmic derivatives. The rich kids went into banking. Their connections bought deal flow. Those of us from public universities mostly went into trading. It’s why it’s been looked down on within Wall Street since basically ever.
> I’ve only ever seen Bloomberg terminals outside of office settings in the apartments of wealthy children
Parents buying their kids Bloomberg terminals aren’t looking for them to get into trading, they’re training them to start a hedge fund.
(I’d also guess a minority of folks with a BB are traders. It’s really more of a vetted calling card.)
That has changed in the last 20 years or so but only because those jobs have effectively gone away. They are the factory jobs of the finance world. They succumbed to the automation impulse that started in the 80s and reached its zenith in the early 2010s. Traders basically don't exist anymore, a computer can do the job much more effectively. So much so that I was shocked when I _encountered_ a real live trading desk as part of a recent job move.
What's the equivalent of hacker news for financial folk?
A few examples:
1. As a researcher, you can develop indexes and portfolios, then make those available to customers via bbg
2. Goldman has a service that let's you buy equities via SWAPs, if a fund can't hold said equities for regulatory or operational reasons. The whole service is a series of menus within the terminal.
3. Many brokers offer automatic trading services like "sell this notional but do it very slowly" etc etc... they do that via bbg
The dedicated fiber drop was most likely for reliability, not for latency.
Yup.
If you want fixed-income data, Bloomberg is the only shop on the street data-wise.
If you want other financial data, Bloomberg's fixed entry-point pricing tends to make more sense in terms of bang for buck than its competitors modular price sheets.
People saying Bloomberg is just about the chat are simply embarrassing themselves.
Look at the price sheets of Eikon, Factset, CapIQ etc. There is no such thing as a cheap "Bloomberg killer".
Quality data is expensive. So are the leased-lines it arrives at Bloomberg on. So is the data wrangling architecture.
The exchange/marketplace is the oldest business in the world. How absurd that in 2026 seats on exchanges cost millions and the entities that control exchanges are mechanisms of gatekeeping rather than quality control -- the cronyism shown to SpaceX reveals just how corrupt it's become.
That freedom is actually why it's hard to create a Bloomberg competitor - in order to provide their data stream, Bloomberg has to have partnerships with hundreds of companies worldwide who run exchanges for stocks, bonds and other instruments. If exchanges were government-controlled rather than free-market, there would be more centralization and getting the data together would be easier.
Not really true. I can't just start a stock exchange. I need to comply with a bazillion regulations. Then I need a license, which I won't get.
As much as the crypto space is disliked, it also showed what happens when regulation isn't stopping you. Exchanges would pop up and anyone could create one. You didn't have to be already wealthy, a spin off from a hedge fund, a connected family, a connected person. You could just do it, and if it was good enough, people would trade on your venue.
Then, probably correctly, regulation came, and now that is all gone. The little person can't do that any longer, it is now reserved for the elites again.
There is a lot of regulatory capture in the financia sector, but that does not in imply that no regulation is necessary at all
Financial information should be free for everyone.
An example that comes to mind is JSON5. People have a visceral reaction to the name, it sounds like it's trying to be HTML4.01 -> 5 but for JSON. In reality, it has its uses but doesn't supersede JSON whatsoever. The name itself has given it a bad rap though.
If you pick a name like "Gloomberb" the most obvious interpretation is that it's a Bloomberg alternative.
Making a bad trade or missing a good one due to delaying data or bad data can pay for several years worth of bloombergs for everyone in your firm in one moment.
> 2) Bloomberg's chat is important because, as a hedge fund or investment bank, the chat is how you buy and sell bonds. You agree to the trade in the chat, then tell the back office folks to execute the trade. Direct quote: "I'd wager 90% of the ~400 trillion in annual bond trading value happens over Bloomberg DM"
You may discuss trades via SMS or Slack; maybe you're important enough that you have a broker, and you send them your idea. But the broker at the investment bank is probably handling those trades via Blomberg terminal. That's the network effect: all the bankers are in Bloomberg chat, and it is therefore the easiest place to find who owns an asset and negotiate a trade.
We keep seeing hundreds of Bloomberg competitors mimicking the interface and they always forget that the chat (with the connections), data and the newsroom are the reasons why Bloomberg's network effect is close to impossible to break.
Using the Bloomberg Terminal is taught very early at colleges for any finance professional, which is how they get them as well.
(I’d especially love to see some federated social feature built in!)
There is not a single reason for Bloomberg’s dominance but the one feature that keeps people on it is the chat.
The one thing I can't figure out is how to set a pane to change its ticker symbol based on the selected one in another pane. The default research panes do this, but I can't figure out how to set a new one to do it.
Not particularly. I don’t think Bloomberg has any super-proprietary data. It’s more like Excel. There is a command or two that is so weirdly niche specific that some user somewhere really needs. And it has a social network.
Bloomberg, as it is, will probably work as long as humans are in the loop in trading financial assets.
You pretty much need $30/m subscriptions for historical data. Not that it couldn't be worked into this.
From it: "Bonds and Fixed Income: It provides the best data for interest rates and debt markets. Global Economics: It easily connects data from different countries, such as currency rates and government debt. The Chat Room: The messaging system is the industry standard. If you want to talk to the biggest players in the market, you often need to be on Bloomberg."
My dismissal is their problem to solve.
Horoscopes for young impressionable men, along with Bitcoin and all sorts of crap, was the most articulate way I've heard it.
As if technical analysis was worth more insight than pissing straight up looking for rain. Sure, it's wet.
Because I'm starting to see the word 'slop' as a synonym for:
"This person may or may not have used AI to build software and I don't like it"
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_koan#:~:text=%E2%80...
> Slop is slop when the author could not have done it without the AI.
For Vim (1.) and Linux's AI adoption policies, there are some contributors who couldn't have made a PR / patch without AI. Are Vim and Linux now considered slop because they allow AI contributions?
(1.) https://github.com/vim/vim/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#using...
Sounds like you consider Vim and Linux to be slop by your definition. As an example:
https://github.com/vim/vim/commits/master/?since=2026-08-02&...
Claude's contributions are littered around the vim's C codebase, so surely Vim is now a 100% slop TUI?
So my question still remains, what tool do you think isn't a 100% slop TUI?
https://imgur.com/a/ssiKckF
Hopefully it's not intentional
Your website is literally down.
https://i.postimg.cc/YCdkwZZq/image.png
And I don't think their website is that bad.
The download button doesn't even work properly.
Clicking download in the top right gives me a .dmg, the other download button in the hero gives me the .exe, the one in the footer gives me a .dmg
Docs give me a 404, blog is empty
I mean, it works for me?
The site is clearly not ready and maybe they didn't expect people to find it, but that doesn't mean the site is bad.
It is just a work in progress.
I'm not even interested in the site anyway the software and the source interests me more.
https://github.com/gloom-sh/gloomberb
Doesn't invalidate my experience.
> and maybe they didn't expect people to find it
What do you mean? It's linked on the Github repo.
> but that doesn't mean the site is bad.
I think a site that doesn't work properly is a bad one. That's just my opinion.
I mean isn't this the point of open source?
You can fork the repo and fix the problem instead of complaining?
You can fix it though or open an issue.
>I mean isn't this the point of open source?
Only if you just found what open source is.
In actuality, successful open source projects recruit developers by providing value to them. If there's a failure before you even install the product, there's 0 reason for someone to start contributing right away, why not start their own project at that point? Contributing 1 to something that has 0 value is a donation in exchange for nothing, not how Open Source usually works.
Yes.
You know the project is OSS, you found the problem, you can fix it or open and issue instead of complaining to me about it.
Problem solved.
That benefits everyone rather than forking a project and starting all over again and wasting effort.
I cannot reproduce the problem, so I can't fix it.
But since you're complaining about it and you have the right skills, you can!
If you fail at a webpage in 2026, you have no chance at doing anything complex or innovative.