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IvanK_net 39 minutes ago [-]
In the future, it might be extremely hard to find a camera which records exactly what is in front of it :D
st_goliath 26 minutes ago [-]
The year is 2036, when dialed up to maximum space saving, the latest generation of smart phones now turn camera pictures to a textual description and later when you want to view them, re-generate them on the fly using a text2image model. Not that "saving space" really means something, the phones refuse to unlock if they don't have an internet connection and store all your data on multiple cloud servers anyway (one for each five eye country).
inigyou 15 minutes ago [-]
It's already 14 eyes, and it'll be 195 eyes by then
Zealotux 27 minutes ago [-]
With the rise of AI-generated content I would actually love a camera with no post-processing by default and a watermarking system that proves the picture is authentic. I can see Apple going that way eventually.
Gigachad 3 minutes ago [-]
Every dedicated camera is like this, more so if you shoot in raw.
There's also a lot of confusion around the processing here. The iPhone is mostly just taking multiple pictures and stacking them on top of each other to make up for the poor performance of the small hardware, denoising, and then applying a mask to subjects to lift shadows and adjust skin tones. This is the same kind of edit a photographer would do in Lightroom. It's not straight up AI generating content in the image.
Sadly Android phones are willing to pull cheap tricks to show better numbers or look better in some comparative youtube video so they pull this stuff.
This is a feature a lot of companies are looking in to right now. It's less about reducing processing and more about proving something is real and not AI generated. The iphone processing doesn't straight up generate things that aren't real.
amelius 17 minutes ago [-]
How does that watermark feature work if you can just point the camera at an AI-generated image?
Gigachad 42 seconds ago [-]
One of the proposals I saw was using the lidar to capture a depth map. You could also embed the GPS location.
hutattedonmyarm 24 minutes ago [-]
Eh, there are plenty of third party camera apps which do that (See: Halide and their Prozess Zero). I doubt a built-in one will go that way.
swiftcoder 21 minutes ago [-]
Well, they do their best, they don't do any userspace post-processing. They can't really help whatever the firmware in the camera and/or the camera driver are already doing.
Alexander-Barth 29 minutes ago [-]
I am wondering if the AI enhancement should be opt-in rather than the default and saving the original as well. Even if you want AI enhancement, future models are likely to be better.
BlackRabbit1 37 minutes ago [-]
A lot of smartphones support raw format.
It's fascinating to see how much post-processing gets done.
PlunderBunny 31 minutes ago [-]
There was a post on HN a few months ago showing the stages of post-processing on a photo of a Christmas tree in a room - the original photo was unrecognisable.
I would find the link, but I’m balancing my phone on my knee while trying to eat dinner and pretend I’m not playing with my phone while eating dinner…
Often the "RAW" output is still DSP'd, just less (e.g. only debayering + noise reduction).
Alexander-Barth 22 minutes ago [-]
Interestingly, one of their AI filters is actually called "Super Moon":
4.14.3 Camera Image Optimization
The camera image optimization AI algorithm is mainly used in the following camera features: Super Moon, AI Camera, Document Mode, Front Portrait Mode with Background Blurring, and Beautify.
You are right, but I think my point stands - anyone getting caught for this ought to make the others think twice
inigyou 13 minutes ago [-]
Because nobody cares. We live in a post-truth era.
ionwake 27 minutes ago [-]
I still struggle with the idea that the chinese olympics had both CGI fireworks and real firework footage mixed together.
I cant fathom how this was a "if they know it doesnt matter at all" situation.
A complete acceptance of real / fake, who cares its about stuff looking great.
I mean I can be told it but I cant understand why you would waste millions on real works just to have fake ones, why not just go all fake? If its a half way house then does no one care what is real?
IE on linkedin somany AI videos with thousands of comments and likes and I become lost on ... do most poeple just not care if its real or not? I dont think they do at all. Am I mad to care?
Its very easy to say well everyone uses filters and they are not real. And its true! But somewhere and I have no idea where, there seems tobe a line for me where I say no, thats not cricket, you cant just replace part of an image with a template of something else. I have no idea tho any thoughts appreciated.
Smoosh 20 minutes ago [-]
> why not just go all fake?
Perhaps they needed some real fireworks for those there in person, and to be able to claim that there really was a fireworks show, but wanted to amp it up for those viewing the event virtually (most of the world).
xattt 25 minutes ago [-]
Does it come from a cultural mindset, or are people from China just as confused?
There's also a lot of confusion around the processing here. The iPhone is mostly just taking multiple pictures and stacking them on top of each other to make up for the poor performance of the small hardware, denoising, and then applying a mask to subjects to lift shadows and adjust skin tones. This is the same kind of edit a photographer would do in Lightroom. It's not straight up AI generating content in the image.
Sadly Android phones are willing to pull cheap tricks to show better numbers or look better in some comparative youtube video so they pull this stuff.
It's fascinating to see how much post-processing gets done.
I would find the link, but I’m balancing my phone on my knee while trying to eat dinner and pretend I’m not playing with my phone while eating dinner…
4.14.3 Camera Image Optimization
The camera image optimization AI algorithm is mainly used in the following camera features: Super Moon, AI Camera, Document Mode, Front Portrait Mode with Background Blurring, and Beautify.
https://trust.mi.com/docs/miui-privacy-white-paper-global/4/...
https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/13/23637401/samsung-fake-moo...
I cant fathom how this was a "if they know it doesnt matter at all" situation.
A complete acceptance of real / fake, who cares its about stuff looking great.
I mean I can be told it but I cant understand why you would waste millions on real works just to have fake ones, why not just go all fake? If its a half way house then does no one care what is real?
IE on linkedin somany AI videos with thousands of comments and likes and I become lost on ... do most poeple just not care if its real or not? I dont think they do at all. Am I mad to care?
Its very easy to say well everyone uses filters and they are not real. And its true! But somewhere and I have no idea where, there seems tobe a line for me where I say no, thats not cricket, you cant just replace part of an image with a template of something else. I have no idea tho any thoughts appreciated.
Perhaps they needed some real fireworks for those there in person, and to be able to claim that there really was a fireworks show, but wanted to amp it up for those viewing the event virtually (most of the world).